PRADA Cup Day 2 Highlights

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Extended highlights of Day 2 of the #PRADACup.
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The 36th America's Cup presented by Prada will be contested by the winner of the 2017 America's Cup, the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron represented by their team, Emirates Team New Zealand, and the winner of the Prada Cup, the challenger selection series which takes place in January-February in 2021.
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Komentáre

  1. Redjetsen
    Redjetsen
    Pred mesiacom

    It still about the start...remember New Zealand was about to win race 7 in the SF bay when Barker was sealed off at the start and could not complete the course in time. Then Oracle won the next 7 I always wondered if they had a complete refit between those races. Ineos has a new boat...new rudder, stabilizers, foils, mast and sails.

  2. Daniel White
    Daniel White
    Pred mesiacom

    Kept thinking my smoke alarm in house was going.... Horrible ringing noise in the audio

  3. Grogery 1
    Grogery 1
    Pred mesiacom

    These boats are not for sailors. they are for people who think they were meant to be pioneers of flight!

  4. Gordon C
    Gordon C
    Pred mesiacom

    Well done Team Inios, now they are the team to beat. Really poor starts from the Americans, twice!! Quite unacceptable at this level of competition in my opinion.

  5. John Wren
    John Wren
    Pred mesiacom

    Nathan Outteridge - great dinghy sailor, poor commentator

  6. bruce baldy
    bruce baldy
    Pred mesiacom

    A sign of the times. whoas me from America.

  7. Grace Malley
    Grace Malley
    Pred mesiacom

    0 / 4 United States, wow. Come on boys!

  8. Malcolm Wallace
    Malcolm Wallace
    Pred mesiacom

    A great explanation of the Differences in Ineos from Dec to Jan svplus.info/level/cqWZ2q13sdabos0/video

  9. Todd Mehserle
    Todd Mehserle
    Pred mesiacom

    Crap.... boats that cant race 100% of the time is boring.

  10. Robin Harrison
    Robin Harrison
    Pred mesiacom

    This is a huge amount of match practice for the challengers, how do NZ raise match fitness?

  11. nxtrev1
    nxtrev1
    Pred mesiacom

    Excuse me, why do you advertise that the races can be watched live or immediately following the races, and then charge ridiculous fees for the ability to do so? Hardly the 'world event' that Prada and America's Cup has promised.

  12. Makai Mauka
    Makai Mauka
    Pred mesiacom

    INEOS won by ~ two miles

  13. David Kennedy
    David Kennedy
    Pred mesiacom

    I hate this format of AC racing.

  14. Olly Wright
    Olly Wright
    Pred mesiacom

    Jesus the production quality is this editing sucks

  15. buioso
    buioso
    Pred mesiacom

    i still can't realiza how fast these boats go

  16. Arthur Brickley
    Arthur Brickley
    Pred mesiacom

    What happened to the full-length replay instead of these cut-up replays?

    1. Roberto Haubold
      Roberto Haubold
      Pred mesiacom

      That is also on the America's cup youtube channel

  17. steve rackley
    steve rackley
    Pred mesiacom

    So hoping we win this, so that we can get back to racing proper sailboats!

    1. Antonio Piccolboni
      Antonio Piccolboni
      Pred mesiacom

      The kiwis said the same after the last and look at the new class. "Proper" is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe you are going to enjoy the j-class.

  18. Jeff Kovacs
    Jeff Kovacs
    Pred mesiacom

    I'm sorry... but this boom / bust / boom / bust type of racing isn't exciting, it's increasingly boring the longer it goes. While I can appreciate the technology, allowing chance to play so much of a role in racing utterly eliminates the fun.

    1. Antonio Piccolboni
      Antonio Piccolboni
      Pred mesiacom

      Finding puffs of wind in light airs is as old as sails though and light airs are notorious for resetting races, see the infamous doldrums in ocean racing.

  19. Brendan Mcdonald
    Brendan Mcdonald
    Pred mesiacom

    Big Ben can hardly contain the smirk... Sticking it right up Jimmy and Dean!!

  20. Jack Meoff
    Jack Meoff
    Pred mesiacom

    Painful to watch Barker and team flounder, I wonder if Terry Hutchinson is having second thoughts about his helm? #chokedit Kudos to Ainslie and team for finding another gear. #sandbag

  21. Makai Mauka
    Makai Mauka
    Pred mesiacom

    Not to be rude, but why did NYYC chose Dean Barker as skipper?

  22. Trajectionable
    Trajectionable
    Pred mesiacom

    Breathless self-promotion, stalled boats, thousand yard differentials, horizon jobs, and 'spectators' mugging for the camera. These are by far the worst boats in cup history, and this series is an embarrassment to competitive sailing.

  23. Alan Young
    Alan Young
    Pred mesiacom

    What is that periodic whining noise from the boats? Is it the hydraulics for the foils or hydraulics for something else? Doesn’t seem to coincide with tacks or jibes sometimes

  24. Richard Marshall
    Richard Marshall
    Pred mesiacom

    🇬🇧fantastic job well done Ben and the team....... so so proud of you guys👍👍👍👍

  25. Andrew Goff
    Andrew Goff
    Pred mesiacom

    What is the 'cow noise' he mentions actaually coming from?

    1. Ethan Ryan
      Ethan Ryan
      Pred mesiacom

      I believe it’s the hydraulic systems lifting and dropping the foils

  26. Stuart Brown
    Stuart Brown
    Pred mesiacom

    Loving the AC action, I actually found the light wind and the struggle to get back on the foils exciting. My only gripe is the presenters are difficult to hear and when they are speaking we miss the boats lifting out at prime race moments..other than that..well done

  27. Makai Mauka
    Makai Mauka
    Pred mesiacom

    INEOS UK hired those two manta rays....foils look significantly larger than their prior red foils. Same is true for PRADA (5:46). Recall Kiwis beating everybody in the AC72 cats in light conditions because foils were larger. Opposition chose wrong. Some teams chose between high wind and low wind foils. Race started higher wind but dropped and they were no longer competitive. Kiwis had same foils for all conditions...if memory serves.

  28. Makai Mauka
    Makai Mauka
    Pred mesiacom

    American Magic foils look smaller

  29. Manatee Max
    Manatee Max
    Pred mesiacom

    These are definitely not light air boats. Magic needs a little magic right now. At this point, my money's on INEOS.

  30. Ad Labar
    Ad Labar
    Pred mesiacom

    Stupid .. they should used BOTH hydrofoils in conjunction.. when sailing in slow winds ..

    1. Garry Coleman
      Garry Coleman
      Pred mesiacom

      Having both foils in the water can cause more drag thus slowing the boat, causing the reaction of coming off the foils, it is a very fine line in light wind conditions!

  31. tchevrier
    tchevrier
    Pred mesiacom

    This was really crappy racing. I'm not sure you can even call that racing. They should probably increase the minimum wind speed required for a race.

  32. Sheila Morrison
    Sheila Morrison
    Pred mesiacom

    Oh look, a winy Aussie after losing. Who could guess...

  33. Ad Labar
    Ad Labar
    Pred mesiacom

    Why is American magic .. flying a Russian Sail ...????

  34. Christopher Weakley
    Christopher Weakley
    Pred mesiacom

    QQuestion is it race track or sailing course

  35. Christopher Weakley
    Christopher Weakley
    Pred mesiacom

    Enjoying watching another killer day of Americas cup competition here from San Francisco California out to you in Auckland New Zealand no better place to be on the whole earth right now smooth sailing may the best sailing team win! Let’s get on with it Keepn it REAL! CBW ⛵️🤙✌️😎💜☮️🏁

  36. Greg Knipe
    Greg Knipe
    Pred mesiacom

    love a good race, absolutely love the "here we come after some great surprise improvements". this is great.

  37. Ben Thompson
    Ben Thompson
    Pred mesiacom

    this is not a good race why would you race if the wind is not strong makes the race boring race when the wind is good

    1. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      This is not a good race. Why would you race if the wind is not strong. Makes the race boring. Race when the wind is good. FIFY. Punctuation.

  38. The Mediocre Mountain Biker
    The Mediocre Mountain Biker
    Pred mesiacom

    Can anyone explain the early start entry penalty? It looked like UK clearly entered the start gate earlier but US got the penalty? I saw the same thing in an earlier race where the second boat to enter the start got the early entry penalty. 🤔

    1. The Mediocre Mountain Biker
      The Mediocre Mountain Biker
      Pred mesiacom

      Thanks everyone! What determines who gets the port tack 2:00 entry?

    2. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      UK enters any moment from 2:10 on. US enters any moment from 2:00 on. This is to prevent a head-on show down as each yacht enters from port/starboard through the narrow gate. You may not enter before your time, otherwise it is a penalty.

    3. Mark Bouchard
      Mark Bouchard
      Pred mesiacom

      Port tack boat gets to enter 10 seconds earlier than starboard.

    4. Robin Howard
      Robin Howard
      Pred mesiacom

      The boat on the port tack (UK in this case) can enter within 2 minutes and 10 seconds of the start. The boat on the starboard tack (US) cannot enter until 2 minutes from the start. The US boat entered early.

  39. Mark Bouchard
    Mark Bouchard
    Pred mesiacom

    This type of racing is for the birds! Too much luck involved and a lot of the match racing strategy is simply gone!!!! Sad day for the America’s Cup.

  40. Ron R
    Ron R
    Pred mesiacom

    It's hard to know how competitive the American boat is, it's performance is being killed by the teams tactics. Not just today. Making lots of mistakes.

  41. John C
    John C
    Pred mesiacom

    Two stand out moments; Rita sailing around Patriot at the start of the race and then Rita shaving the paint off a spectator boat on the last leg.

  42. Brendan Hills
    Brendan Hills
    Pred mesiacom

    Great to see Ineos back in the game - but honestly, it seems a shame to race in such light winds.

    1. Daryl Neal
      Daryl Neal
      Pred mesiacom

      @Antonio Piccolboni AC75's heavier than cats? Is the displacement performance really bad? 75 displacement kts vs wind speed looks good to me 🤷‍♂️ Watch close today. Wind up. Day 3 races might be over too quickly 💨

    2. Antonio Piccolboni
      Antonio Piccolboni
      Pred mesiacom

      @Daryl Neal I may be wrong but is seems to me the foiling cats were a bit more adaptable to light winds. Why is the displacement performance so bad? Where did the big headsails go?

    3. Daryl Neal
      Daryl Neal
      Pred mesiacom

      Lights winds a fact of life. Best #AC75 design to suit all conditions will win #AC36

  43. Ken Fretwell
    Ken Fretwell
    Pred mesiacom

    What’s the programme for tomorrow?

    1. Alasdair Duncan
      Alasdair Duncan
      Pred mesiacom

      Next 2 races are Italy vs UK then USA vs Italy

  44. AK Don L H
    AK Don L H
    Pred mesiacom

    They should race when the wind blows that was lame

    1. Alasdair Duncan
      Alasdair Duncan
      Pred mesiacom

      Far more tactically interesting if they race in a mix of wind speeds. They should adjust the course a little in the light conditions though.

  45. Vinsu Karma
    Vinsu Karma
    Pred mesiacom

    The performance of those sailyatchs is out of this world :- º

  46. GNX157
    GNX157
    Pred mesiacom

    They mentioned the cow sound, but what does it signify or mean?

    1. Daryl Neal
      Daryl Neal
      Pred mesiacom

      Hydraulics on @ American Magic principally. Think power steering on hard lock

    2. Mark Brooks
      Mark Brooks
      Pred mesiacom

      Someone going really slow.

  47. Mereana Holmes
    Mereana Holmes
    Pred mesiacom

    There was a lot of talk about INEOS and their boat being a dud over the ACWS. Some even suspected they wouldn't be able to compete let alone win any of the races. Now what? Yeah that's what I thought.

  48. Scott Mauney
    Scott Mauney
    Pred mesiacom

    Olympic sailors are best.

  49. Nick Walters
    Nick Walters
    Pred mesiacom

    Amazing commentary and use of data, technology is at another level, but the actual racing is a massive let down.

  50. Scorpius
    Scorpius
    Pred mesiacom

    This was probably the Worst exhibition of the America's cup I have ever seen!! Granted these boats are a miracle of technology but today really showed how fallible they truly are! The lady commentator was saying how "exciting" and "intense" this was, BS! It was BORING! Today we heard the it could take up to TEN MINUTES to change the front Jibe sail. It used to take ten seconds on the "Real America's Cup BOATS"! There is no doubt that these "Foilers" can be impressive and exciting to watch, but I started watching America's Cup back in the early 80's when Dennis Conner was "SAILING"! THAT was the America's Cup at it's BEST! Yes, there are always going to be upgrades and new creative improvements to the boats but they should be "Sailing" improvements not "Foiling" improvements! These "Foil boats" are faster, much faster, but faster does not always equate to "better" and that was proven here today! Unless they have at least 12 - 15 knots of wind, these boats can't "Sail" at all! Isn't "SAILING" supposed to be what America's Cup is all about? But hey! It's only my opinion, I'm sure others will differ! Sail on!🦂

    1. David Kennedy
      David Kennedy
      Pred mesiacom

      100% agree and this is not sailboat racing let alone match racing. Way too dependent on the foils and the luck of the wind.

    2. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      @tchevrier Were the boats not in the water? Is that not creating displacement? By definition, this was displacement sailing.

    3. tchevrier
      tchevrier
      Pred mesiacom

      I agree. This was ridiculous. Instead of watching sailing, instead of watching tacking duals, everyone including the crews were sitting around waiting for a wind gust so they could move. You can't even argue that it was old fashioned displacement sailing because these boats aren't designed for displacement sailing.

    4. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      They weren't foiling and the racing is exactly what you asked for, displacement sailing. 12 meter boats = displacement sailing.

    5. Nick Adams
      Nick Adams
      Pred mesiacom

      I agree totally! Miss the 12 meters! Action, action, action!!

  51. Ga Wa
    Ga Wa
    Pred mesiacom

    Team Ineos, three wins up: "We need to keep improving there's a long way to go." American Magic, three losses down: "We don't need to change anything."

    1. brian belton
      brian belton
      Pred mesiacom

      Very true. Factual and wise comment Leave the left out of it.. . .

    2. Thomas Talleyrand
      Thomas Talleyrand
      Pred mesiacom

      @Simon Sobrero don’t be rude just when I was thinking how great it would be to see a UK vs Italy final you popped up

    3. Simon Sobrero
      Simon Sobrero
      Pred mesiacom

      A typical example of American arrogance. Well done INEOS and PRADA.

    4. brian belton
      brian belton
      Pred mesiacom

      @mtbman 24 off course some horse-blinded, political zealot, had to throw that rotten towel in. It's sailing. It's fun. Leave him out of it, even though he did a fabulous job (leave his personality out of the discussion, cuz I agree with that)

    5. jwhoward182
      jwhoward182
      Pred mesiacom

      @Trajectionable A true kiwi

  52. Makai Mauka
    Makai Mauka
    Pred mesiacom

    Day two

  53. Makai Mauka
    Makai Mauka
    Pred mesiacom

    Where was Skipper Dean Barker for race two for American Magic?

  54. Alex Hoen
    Alex Hoen
    Pred mesiacom

    Actually I do like AC75 light air racing better because outcome is less predictable and there is more tactical sailing. Also it is nice to watch them start foiling. UK have made an impressive come back and the American Magic seems to have gone after Christmas...

  55. Tony Cotto
    Tony Cotto
    Pred mesiacom

    6-8 kt racing just like the old days. Anyone else likes it?

  56. Yoda and the Bike
    Yoda and the Bike
    Pred mesiacom

    Worst yacht design in Americas Cup history

  57. Yoda and the Bike
    Yoda and the Bike
    Pred mesiacom

    What a shit show

  58. Wendell Washington
    Wendell Washington
    Pred mesiacom

    American Magic not looking so good these last 2 days

  59. 327/365hp
    327/365hp
    Pred mesiacom

    More wind would be nice.

  60. T4cky
    T4cky
    Pred mesiacom

    Q. Does anybody know the name of the 6 boat race Ben Ainslie took part in at the start of 2020 in slightly smaller boats than this ???

    1. T4cky
      T4cky
      Pred mesiacom

      @Jus Vibes cheers thanks

    2. Jus Vibes
      Jus Vibes
      Pred mesiacom

      Saling Gp

  61. robert g sands
    robert g sands
    Pred mesiacom

    You need to use CC for those of us who are hard of hearing.

  62. MercAMG
    MercAMG
    Pred mesiacom

    VERY WELL DONE UK. unbelievable !!!!!!!!!! The Dark Horse is Magnificent !!! The Cup Is Yours. NO DOUBTS AT ALL. Well Deserved.

  63. Alice Maria Rocha
    Alice Maria Rocha
    Pred mesiacom

    impressionada

  64. Act3Life
    Act3Life
    Pred mesiacom

    All of a sudden yacht racing is interesting . . . well done Ben & Crew . . .

    1. Alasdair Duncan
      Alasdair Duncan
      Pred mesiacom

      You clearly didn't see the last 2 America's cup series

  65. VideoServicesVB
    VideoServicesVB
    Pred mesiacom

    A sailboat that's not meant to be sailed IN the water?????? Yeah, this is bullshit. Extremely bad decision to go this direction in america's cup racing. Ok, it's a good series, but this cup should be about sailing a boat IN the water. Let this series go off on its on. Go back to hull displacement.

    1. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      @David Kennedy Hi David. The battery bank solely powers the canting foil arms. The hydraulics are powered by the grinders. Its a minor quibble, but in the spirit of accuracy, I thought to clarify.

    2. David Kennedy
      David Kennedy
      Pred mesiacom

      Absolutely agree. These sailboats are literally is dependent on a huge electric power source to power hydraulics motors to even tack or Jibe. No sail changes or handling. We can barely see the crew. Might as well just remove the crews and control the whole thing with a remote. We don't really need grinders, just replace them with more batteries. Hell we don't even need a skipper as that can be replaced with an AI autopilot. Who gets across the line first will just be who spends the most on idiotic tech that will never be applicable to future one design or PHRF fleets.

    3. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      @Kevin Short I agree they are the same thing, its just a difference in the fluid characteristics. There really are two crowds here. Those of us who like the foiling and those of us who really liked 12 Meter class. The 12 Meter class optimized hull shape for minimizing drag in the water. That optimization made the sailors pre-eminent, as AC almost became a one design rule. I really like watching the replays of AC with those rules. It was excellent! But that was then, this is now. America's Cup, for quite some time, has been pursuing foiling. The water drag has been nearly (not completely) eliminated as a function of that. So sure, now the aero drag is the long pole in the tent, and teams are focused on that minimization. It has taken the focus somewhat off the sailors and onto yacht design again. I find it very interesting and the racing captivating. Instead of one design foiling, like SailGP, the teams are permitted to change the hull as they desire. This will result, just as 12 Meter days, in an optimized shape. What's next? Who knows, but I'm sure I will be excited to see it. Cheers!

    4. Kevin Short
      Kevin Short
      Pred mesiacom

      @WhatAboutTheBee Fluid dynamics is used to model both aerodynamics and hydrodynamics, they are effectively the same thing. The difference here is the boats are going so fast, that aero drag is a big issue.

    5. Kevin Short
      Kevin Short
      Pred mesiacom

      Planing involves a good chunk of the hull leaving the water, this is just an extension.

  66. Steve Kiberd
    Steve Kiberd
    Pred mesiacom

    Anyone else hear a cow mooing every now and then?

    1. Daryl Neal
      Daryl Neal
      Pred mesiacom

      Avoiding NZ sea cows is how kiwi sailors learn their skills from a young age

    2. WhatAboutTheBee
      WhatAboutTheBee
      Pred mesiacom

      Steve, the real answer is the hydraulics on board the yacht. Ever heard your car make a noise with power steering? When they use the hydraulics to adjust the sails and rigging, the excitation of the yacht produces the noise

    3. Alasdair Duncan
      Alasdair Duncan
      Pred mesiacom

      That's for extra ballast. Plus the methane is used to power the propellers

    4. the tessellater
      the tessellater
      Pred mesiacom

      The crew have to eat!

    5. Tim Wenzlick
      Tim Wenzlick
      Pred mesiacom

      Ah yes, the very common New Zealand Sea Cow. A pest in these parts for local boaters.

  67. Bill Giles
    Bill Giles
    Pred mesiacom

    I’ve been sailing and racing for fifty years, I was born to soon!

    1. Q. E. D.
      Q. E. D.
      Pred mesiacom

      Me too. Got my first boat, International Cadet #806 Tilikum, in 1952.

  68. Ga Wa
    Ga Wa
    Pred mesiacom

    Exciting. Can you add some wind data telemetry onscreen though?

    1. nixy49
      nixy49
      Pred mesiacom

      Yes, be even better with some wind arrows on screen ...... do get blue arrows on occasion?..... but better if they were showing all the time

  69. Jose M Hernandez
    Jose M Hernandez
    Pred mesiacom

    Dean Barker is a junk!

  70. Jose M Hernandez
    Jose M Hernandez
    Pred mesiacom

    America Magic is gone to smoke! Where is the Magic?

  71. FEDERICO
    FEDERICO
    Pred mesiacom

    Goo Red Moon! 🌛❤️🇮🇹

  72. Vito De Giorgio
    Vito De Giorgio
    Pred mesiacom

    In balia del poco vento, così non ci si diverte e frustrante per i ragazzi in barca.

    1. francesco corona
      francesco corona
      Pred mesiacom

      Oggi a conti fatti era una giornata da code zero. Posso capire la prima regata, ma è incredibile che AM non l'abbia usato nella seconda, ben consci delle condizioni del vento

  73. Callum Harris
    Callum Harris
    Pred mesiacom

    Go team ineos uk

  74. MrVaticanRag
    MrVaticanRag
    Pred mesiacom

    Is Russell Coutts still considered a kiwi? Wanker www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/434634/ian-taylor-pulls-graphics-for-america-s-cup-over-row-with-russell-coutts

  75. jy wei
    jy wei
    Pred mesiacom

    I want the soundtrack

  76. Matt Justaddwata
    Matt Justaddwata
    Pred mesiacom

    Great job with the coverage!! Thanks Guys!!

  77. Kit Benavent
    Kit Benavent
    Pred mesiacom

    Kenny Reed is right the cup has a new weak team. Same conditions and Italy and the Brits outsmart Dean Barker. Back to the shed to regroup.

  78. Kit Benavent
    Kit Benavent
    Pred mesiacom

    Race 2 on day 2 same story for Dean Barker.

  79. Kit Benavent
    Kit Benavent
    Pred mesiacom

    Dean Barkers America’s Cup black cloud is back again. Maybe the retirement message will finally ring clear.

    1. Xfactories
      Xfactories
      Pred mesiacom

      Hard to claim 'it's a lottery' when the start is botched twice.

  80. Stewart Robertson
    Stewart Robertson
    Pred mesiacom

    The commentary today is much better. Nathan on the water and Shirley in the studio with Ken is working well.

    1. Alasdair Duncan
      Alasdair Duncan
      Pred mesiacom

      Shirley has been brilliant. Nathan's predictions have been pretty spot on too.

    2. andy phillips
      andy phillips
      Pred mesiacom

      Stick with Nathan please.

    3. Jak Kidd
      Jak Kidd
      Pred mesiacom

      How can you forget Dave mate geez don’t forget Dave

  81. King Of The World
    King Of The World
    Pred mesiacom

    This is awesome

  82. Simon Scott
    Simon Scott
    Pred mesiacom

    I've paid zero attention to yacht racing for about 30 years, but these boats have made it utterly fascinating.

    1. Trajectionable
      Trajectionable
      Pred mesiacom

      @Michael Hermans Not so much old school as proper large scale match racing. Like giant scows, these boats even capsize in gusts, which is just absurd for the class they represent. AC75 has completely lost the point of AC. As far as average Joe, I don't agree that this series of only four boats - one with a big hole in it now - hearkens to commercial success, assuming pop appeal is part of AC either. In fact, the sport attracted legions more when it was 12 meters. NZL really botched this series. The boats could have gotten away from the goofy foiling cats of previous Cups and back into proper match racing yachts but instead they went even more absurd. Instead of a somewhat reinvented ocean 60 or 70 for light air, AC needs to re-imagine big rig keeled yachts and close boat-on-boat racing. As it is now there's no strategy to it except sailing to the wide side and an onboard software. Dumb. Judged by crowd size it's not working there either.

    2. Michael Hermans
      Michael Hermans
      Pred mesiacom

      @Trajectionable I know where your coming from and being a racing yachtsman my self I would still find the “old style “ fascinating, But the average jo would struggle to stay awake on the first leg if things reverted The tactics are still there but they are different, the skills are different The AC is always going to be expensive, and if NZ win I’m sure they will continue with the AC75 There will be more challengers at the next cup because most of the major developments have been made already. Unfortunately everything revolves around the almighty $ so getting as many eyes on the event is going to be a priority over old style match racing tactics

    3. Trajectionable
      Trajectionable
      Pred mesiacom

      @Michael Hermans Appeals to the mob are unconvincing. If this "vast majority" of fans you seem to speak for want foils and drag races - with these disasters of so-called races and their horizon jobs and dead-in-the-water vessels - let them turn to a number of offshore classes for venues where sheer speed is warranted. The AC has always been tactical, boat-on-boat *match* racing, which these boats are clearly incapable of. Or are you saying that no other class has modern engineering and sailing skill? We all know you can find that anywhere, however AC drama is another thing entirely and it's completely missing here. As for the purported popularity of the event, the AC has of late managed to whittle itself down to four boats among dozens of potential - and former - national teams. Obviously this class speaks for no majority...or AC is already dead. It's one or the other or we'd see an entire AC culture thriving instead of dying. These boats are bizarre novelties and if anything are, by the very numbers, bringing about the decline of the AC. Interestingly, it's then that it'll rediscover the natural evolution of *extreme class match racing* among yachts instead of sleds and resurrect itself with the former majesty and drama all but destroyed by this class of low-altitude airplanes. This class is so ill-equipped for the AC that it could just as well be conducted on wheels and sand. Or on blades and ice. That is the clear antithesis of the AC.

    4. Michael Hermans
      Michael Hermans
      Pred mesiacom

      @Trajectionable spoken like a purist, unfortunately the vast majority of spectators want to see fast boats testing the limits of modern engineering and sailing skill And it’s this audience that will allow the AC to stay alive and hopefully become a mainstream sporting event

    5. Trajectionable
      Trajectionable
      Pred mesiacom

      @Michael Hermans With 8' blades in the air and with 30kt speeds these boats will never be strategic match racers. Unfortunately they are precisely the wrong boats for this Cup and it is up to the winners to reverse this mess and move into a yacht class befitting it..